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Pieces put together


[WARNING: THIS IS MOSTLY OLD BLOG POSTS STUCK TOGETHER IN AN ATTEMPT TO GET AN OUTLINE OF MY NEW PAPER TOGETHER!] I’m editing it slowly 🙂 But I have a plan now! whoo-hoo! Continue reading

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Day 2: or rather, take two


Okay a totally different route.

Maybe the trouble I’m having is that I have been using verse 14 as bait, and so I frame the whole problem in terms of that one verse (and just the second half). However, my research was on all of 11-14, and my real interest is in teaching by the Spirit in general. So maybe starting out with verse 14 is backfiring.

So, how else would I frame it –

D&C 42:11-14 in their Kirtland context?

Hmm. That would account for all my research post D&C 42. And it would also account for my D&C 20/Moroni stuff, too right? b/c D&C 42 refers to it…

Um, when did the Kirtland saints first get D&C 20? how would that have influenced their understanding and their reception?


Day 1 on “My D&C 42 revised paper”: thinking out loud (well, rather quietly actually) :)


D&C 42:14 is a complex, enigmatic verse. On the one hand, no on in the church today is surprised that we ought to have a “prayer of faith” and that the Spirit is something important to seek.

On the other hand, what do we do with this part of the verse: “and if ye receive not the Spirit, ye shall not teach.”

Is this verse of scripture something we can take seriously in the 21st century?

Can we apply this verse to all members, teaching in a variety of settings?

BYU has a scripture index where you can search through all the conference talks from Joseph’s and Brigham’s recorded sermons right through October 2010 and see who has quoted a particular verse. I searched this index for D&C 42:11-14 and looked to see if anyone actually took this verse seriously enough to tell the Saints to “not teach.”

What I discovered was that most people use the verse for the first part: “And the Spirit shall be given unto you by the prayer of faith.” Hardly anyone mentions the second half of the verse, except once in a while to emphasize something like “See? The Spirit’s important. So teach with it.” And many, many talks simply quote the verse with no additional commentary on any part of it! Continue reading


Joseph Smith quotations on spiritual gifts, and how they relate to my own previous posts


A bit more from Joseph, and how it relates to my larger D&C 42 project.

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What Joseph Smith said about gifts of the spirit


Yay for that Teachings of the Presidents of the Church manual full of Joseph Smith quotations. 🙂

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Full circle: Why we don’t talk about when “not” to teach


I started my research on D&C 42:14 specifically because I was curious (baffled) that no one ever talked about the fact that the verse says there are times to not teach! Searching through lds.org I couldn’t really find any references that suggested we should actually stop teaching if the Spirit wasn’t there. Any talk on teaching by the Spirit will almost inevitably quote D&C 42:14, but never addresses this sharp and unusual command to not teach.

For examples, in my original conference paper, I quoted a Church News article on teaching which quoted that verse and went right on to talk about teacher preparation. I also found a talk by Elder Oaks that was almost too perfect for what I wanted to say. He says that we use D&C 42 and D&C 50 so much that “They are so familiar they are almost slogans, yet we are in danger of using them without understanding them.”

But even Elder Oaks doesn’t suggest that we should stop teaching if the Spirit doesn’t come. As far as I looked, I could not see anyone who actually suggested anyone should “not teach.” Rather, the focus is on being worthy of the Spirit, and why teaching without it is so much less effective. I suppose you could say most talks focus on talking us into using the Spirit, and explain how and why we should be worthy to receive the Spirit.

But still, no one addresses this possibility that D&C 42:14 opens up: what if the Spirit does not come?

I wonder why no one ever addresses this? My first assumption is that we as a people (and me included!) are often unsure of what the Spirit feels like, at least to the extent that we could say for sure that the Spirit wasn’t with us.

This being the case, it would serve little purpose to address this verse in its full weight directly head on.

But in addition, after all of my recent research, I think I would add one more perspective on this. In my last post I mentioned that all three of my interpretive ideas could come down to one thing: nothing works unless you are pure, clean, and worthy. The promise of being able to pray and receive spirits unless they are not of God only comes to those who are pure and sanctified. So even if I go that route and pick D&C 50 as the interpretive key to D&C 42:14, it still comes down to being worthy of the promise. If I pick the route of interpreting through D&C 20 and Moroni, then problem is still the same: how can a leader know how to conduct a meeting by the Spirit? Only if they are worthy of the Spirit. And if we see the “not” receiving the Spirit as a lack of the faith mentioned in D&C 42:13, then the same exhortation results: seek the Spirit, be worthy of it, trust it.

So, coming full circle, I can see the wisdom and the necessity of addressing this topic in the way it is always done. Seek the Spirit, be worthy of it, and trust it.


If ye receive not


After looking at D&C 46 and D&C 50 more closely, including the allusions to James 4:3 and Mormon 9:28, I think I finally have an answer to what D&C 42:14 means when it says, “And if ye receive not, ye shall not teach.” Continue reading